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03/26/2014 10:13 AM Senate FIN


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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      March 26, 2014                                                                                            
                        10:13 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:13:18 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly called the Senate Finance Committee meeting                                                                      
to order at 10:13 a.m.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Anna Fairclough, Vice-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Mike Dunleavy                                                                                                           
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
James Armstrong, Staff, Senator Pete Kelly; Kristen Pratt,                                                                      
Staff, Senator Anna Fairclough.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 195    POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION LOANS/GRANTS                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          SB 195 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 266(FIN)                                                                                                                   
          APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET/LOANS/FUNDS                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 266(FIN) was HEARD and HELD in committee                                                                         
          for further consideration.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 267(FIN)                                                                                                                   
          APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 267(FIN) was HEARD and HELD in committee                                                                         
          for further consideration.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 266(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain  programs,   capitalizing  funds,   and  making                                                                    
     reappropriations;  and   providing  for   an  effective                                                                    
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 267(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:14:29 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:14:43 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JAMES ARMSTRONG,  STAFF, SENATOR  PETE KELLY, stated  that a                                                                    
new committee  substitute (CS) was in  the drafting process.                                                                    
He announced that a there  was a contract amendment from the                                                                    
University  of  Alaska  (UA),  so  the  Legislative  Finance                                                                    
Division  (LFD)  was working  to  incorporate  it with  four                                                                    
other contracts  into one amendment. The  contract amendment                                                                    
would not be in the forthcoming CS.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  queried the sources of  the other contracts.                                                                    
Mr. Armstrong replied  that two contracts were  from UA, one                                                                    
was  from Alaska  Vocational Technical  Center (AVTEC),  and                                                                    
one  was  from  the   Public  Safety  Employees  Association                                                                    
(PSEA).                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly handed the gavel to Co-Chair Meyer.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 266(FIN)  was HEARD and  HELD in committee  for further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 267(FIN)  was HEARD and  HELD in committee  for further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:16:24 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:18:14 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 195                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act relating  to the  membership and  authority of                                                                    
     the  Alaska  Commission   on  Postsecondary  Education;                                                                    
     relating  to  the   Alaska  Student  Loan  Corporation;                                                                    
     relating  to  teacher   education  loans;  relating  to                                                                    
     interest   on   and  consolidation   of   postsecondary                                                                    
     education  loans;   relating  to   Alaska  supplemental                                                                    
     education  loans;  relating to  AlaskAdvantage  grants;                                                                    
     relating to  the Alaska family education  loan program;                                                                    
     relating  to  postsecondary  educational  institutions;                                                                    
     and providing for an effective date."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:19:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  explained that the  legislation would                                                                    
broaden   the   Alaska   Commission   membership;   assessed                                                                    
educational  outcomes;  and  allowed  borrowers  to  receive                                                                    
loans  solely from  the Alaska  Commission on  Postsecondary                                                                    
Education,  regardless  of  other options.  The  legislation                                                                    
allowed the Alaska Student Loan  Corporation to offer below-                                                                    
market   loan  terms,   and   to   consolidate  loans.   The                                                                    
legislation   defined   "half-time",  "undergraduate",   and                                                                    
"graduate"   students,  and   revised   the  "school   year"                                                                    
definition.  The  legislation   increased  loan  limits  for                                                                    
students  who  borrowed in  Alaska,  and  changed the  post-                                                                    
enrollment period from  "six months" to "up  to six months."                                                                    
The legislation  increased the grant that  were available to                                                                    
students,   and  created   a   revolving   loan  fund.   The                                                                    
legislation increased annual and  aggregate loan amounts for                                                                    
borrowers under  the Family Education Loan,  and amended the                                                                    
definition  of   "on  time  enrollments."   The  legislation                                                                    
modified  institutional  authorization exemptions  of  short                                                                    
educational training courses, and  allowed the Commission to                                                                    
enter  into  multiple   state  reciprocity  agreements.  She                                                                    
stated that  she had  been working  with Diane  Barrans from                                                                    
Department of Education and Early  Development (DEED) on the                                                                    
legislation.  She  stressed that  student  loan  debt was  a                                                                    
growing national  problem, and Alaska's regulations  had not                                                                    
been recently  amended. Specifically,  the same  loan amount                                                                    
had been  available for students  since the 1980s.  The need                                                                    
for money  has increased for  the borrower since  the 1980s.                                                                    
She  pointed out  that  the borrower  was  now borrowing  at                                                                    
different locations, rather than  consolidating the loans in                                                                    
one  location.  She  remarked that  the  federal  government                                                                    
currently offered  a much  lower rate  at 3.80  percent, and                                                                    
the Alaska Student  Loan Corporation was offering  a rate of                                                                    
7.30  percent.  She  stressed  that  the  high  rate  was  a                                                                    
disadvantage  for a  student  to borrow  from  the State  of                                                                    
Alaska. She  felt that the legislation  would allow students                                                                    
greater flexibility  in their loan options,  and consolidate                                                                    
those loans.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer wondered  why the  interest rate  was higher                                                                    
than the  national rate. Vice-Chair Fairclough  replied that                                                                    
the borrowing was based on  a revenue stream, but that issue                                                                    
was  addressed in  a different  bill. She  stated that  when                                                                    
loan amounts  were considered,  the state  rolled in  all of                                                                    
the  costs to  each  student.  She stated  that  all of  the                                                                    
operating costs  from postsecondary education  were included                                                                    
in the loans. She furthered  that the rate for borrowing was                                                                    
higher, because the revenue stream  was the backing to repay                                                                    
the bonds. She  remarked that there were ways  to reduce the                                                                    
current  interest  rate,  but  all of  the  tools  were  not                                                                    
currently available.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson   MOVED  to  ADOPT  the   proposed  committee                                                                    
substitute  for  CS  SB  195(FIN),  Work  Draft  28-LS1392\N                                                                    
(Mischel,  3/17/14). There  being  NO OBJECTION,  it was  so                                                                    
ordered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:23:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KRISTEN  PRATT, STAFF,  SENATOR  ANNA FAIRCLOUGH,  explained                                                                    
that the only  change was on page 19, Section  46 of version                                                                    
N. She  stated that Section  46 was a  transitional section,                                                                    
and  the change  was  requested by  Diane  Barrans from  the                                                                    
Alaska  Commission on  Postsecondary  Education. The  change                                                                    
related to the Teacher Education  Loan Program, and the bill                                                                    
changed  the   funding  of  that   loan  program   from  the                                                                    
corporation to  the state. The section  grandfathered in the                                                                    
individuals who were already participating in the program.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer asked  if the  change  grandfathered in  the                                                                    
current  participants. Ms.  Pratt  stated  that the  current                                                                    
participants would  be grandfathered into the  program, with                                                                    
their interest rates set by  the corporation rather than the                                                                    
commission.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  wondered how much  the change would  save the                                                                    
student.  Vice-Chair  Fairclough  replied  that  the  change                                                                    
neither adds nor removes funds.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman asked  if the  eligibility  of the  program                                                                    
pertained only  to those individuals that  attend an Alaskan                                                                    
university. Ms. Pratt  replied that the loan  was offered to                                                                    
state residents  and nonresidents  who were enrolled  in the                                                                    
program at an Alaskan university.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  remarked that  he had  taken issue  with the                                                                    
university attracting  out of state students,  and felt that                                                                    
the bill  would encourage  out of  state students  to attend                                                                    
UA.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:27:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pratt explained the Sectional Analysis (copy on file):                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1: Amends AS 14.42.015(a)                                                                                          
          Broadens   commission    membership   to   clarify                                                                    
          representation  by  an Alaska  private,  nonprofit                                                                    
          higher education institutions' representative.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2: Amends AS 14.42.015(d)                                                                                          
          Broadens   commission   membership  by   expanding                                                                    
          eligibility for the  student commissioner position                                                                    
          to  include an  Alaska  private, nonprofit  higher                                                                    
          education institution's student representative.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3: Amends AS 14.42.030(e)                                                                                          
          Clarifies   authority  for   the  commission   and                                                                    
          Department of  Education and Early  Development to                                                                    
          work  together  to  assess education  outcomes  of                                                                    
          public school students.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4: Amends AS 14.42.035                                                                                             
          Clarifies   authority  for   the  Commission   and                                                                    
          Department of  Education and Early  Development to                                                                    
          work  together  to  assess education  outcomes  of                                                                    
          public school students.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5: Amends AS 14.42.200                                                                                             
          Corrects  misplacement  of  language  by  removing                                                                    
          from paragraph (5) and  inserting in paragraph (6)                                                                    
          and  clarifies  specific   corporation  powers  in                                                                    
          paragraphs (12), (13), and (15).                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6: Amends AS 14.42.205(a)                                                                                          
          Provides  that a  borrower may  apply for  a state                                                                    
          supplemental education  loan without  first having                                                                    
          to exhaust all other  federal or private education                                                                    
          loan options.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7:                                                                                                                 
          Conforming  change  to  Section  6  regarding  the                                                                    
          financing program for education loans.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8: Amends AS 14.42.205(c)                                                                                          
          Clarifies  that  corporation education  loans  are                                                                    
          not offered as lines of credit.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 9: Amends AS 14.42.210(a)                                                                                          
          Clarifies  that  state  education grants  are  not                                                                    
          funded by the corporation's education loan fund.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 10: Amends AS 14.43.210(b)                                                                                         
          Conforming change with Section 9.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 11: Amended by adding a new section (d) to AS                                                                      
     14.42.210                                                                                                                  
          Moves  corporation  power  to  offer  below-market                                                                    
          loan  terms. Provision  currently  limited to  the                                                                    
          supplemental     education     loan    (see     AS                                                                    
          14.43.205(c)(2)).                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 12: Amended by adding a new section to AS                                                                          
     14.42.215                                                                                                                  
          Clarifies  that  corporation   sets  the  interest                                                                    
          rates on loans it finances.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section 13: Amends AS 14.42.240(c)                                                                                         
          Permits  corporation's trust  indenture to  govern                                                                    
          the size of its capital reserve.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 14: Amends AS 14.42.240(g)                                                                                         
          Conforming change with Section 13.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 15: Amends AS 14.42.250                                                                                            
          Incorporates the  term "perfected", a term  of art                                                                    
          for   uniform   commercial    code   purposes   as                                                                    
          recommended by the corporation's bond counsel.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 16: Amends AS 14.43.120(b)                                                                                         
          Updates    the    name   of    an    institutional                                                                    
          accreditation organization.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section 17: Repeals and reenacts AS 14.43.122                                                                              
          Clarifies    corporation   authority    to   offer                                                                    
          consolidation  loans to  state residents.  Removes                                                                    
          option   for   joint  consolidation   of   married                                                                    
          borrowers.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section 18: Amends AS 14.43.160(4)                                                                                         
          Clarifies  definition of  "half-time student"  for                                                                    
          undergraduates and adds  a definition for graduate                                                                    
          students.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 19: Amends AS 14.43.160(5)                                                                                         
          Revises  school  year  definition  to  align  with                                                                    
          state  fiscal  year  and to  conform  to  standard                                                                    
          education lending year.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 20: Amends AS 14.43.170                                                                                            
          Clarifies  that,   subject  to  the   annual  loan                                                                    
          limits,  a borrower  may receive  loans up  to the                                                                    
          amount of  their unmet  cost of  education without                                                                    
          regard  to  other  loans that  may  be  available,                                                                    
          leaving the choice up to the consumer.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 21:                                                                                                                
          Provides   for   applicability  of   institutional                                                                    
          standards  for  participation in  state  education                                                                    
          loan programs.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 22: Amends AS 14.43.172(a)                                                                                         
          Updates reference to federal education loans.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section 23: Amends AS 14.43.172(g)                                                                                         
          Updates reference to federal education loans.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section 24: Amends AS 14.43.173(a)                                                                                         
          Clarifies corporation  funds the loan  and revises                                                                    
          upwards the  annual maximum  loan amount  a person                                                                    
          may borrow.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section 25: Amends AS 14.43.173(b)                                                                                         
          Revises upwards the aggregate maximum borrowing                                                                       
          limit to conform to Section 24.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 26: Amends by adding a new section (d) to AS                                                                       
     14.43.173                                                                                                                  
          Clarifies  that  the   commission  determines  the                                                                    
          amount  a loan  applicant  may  borrow based  upon                                                                    
          their enrollment  status and  not to  exceed costs                                                                    
          of attendance.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 27: Amends AS 14.43.175                                                                                            
          Amends maximum length of a post-enrollment                                                                            
          deferment period.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:31:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly remarked  that  the  previous language  said                                                                    
that the borrower  must begin to repay  six months following                                                                    
the completion of the loan.  He wondered if the new language                                                                    
changed  anything. Vice-Chair  Fairclough  replied that  the                                                                    
commission  recommended  that  the  outside  number  be  six                                                                    
months, rather than that the start date at six months.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  wondered if  the  commission  was going  to                                                                    
examine  the  student's  job   situation,  and  require  the                                                                    
student  to  immediately repay  the  loan.  He felt  that  a                                                                    
recent  college   graduate  may   not  have   the  immediate                                                                    
resources  to pay  the  loan in  that  timeframe. Ms.  Pratt                                                                    
replied that the language was  "up to six months", and would                                                                    
not require  the student  to enter  into full  repayment, as                                                                    
they would  have in  the current  language. She  stated that                                                                    
the change  allowed for more  opportunity to pay  solely the                                                                    
interest rate,  until the six  months was met.  She remarked                                                                    
that  the  issue  would  probably need  to  be  outlined  in                                                                    
regulation,   and  deferred   to   Ms.   Barrans  for   more                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly felt that perhaps  that issue did not need to                                                                    
be a part of the legislation.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  remarked that the issue  was a policy                                                                    
decision.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pratt continued to discuss the Sectional Analysis:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 28: Amends AS 14.43.400                                                                                            
          Simplifies    name   for    ease   of    use   and                                                                    
          identification as a state funded grant.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 29: Amends AS 14.43.405(a)                                                                                         
          Conforming to Section 28-program name change.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section 30: Amends AS 14.43.410(a)                                                                                         
          Conforming  to  Section  28-program  name  change;                                                                    
          incorporates  by  reference commission's  existing                                                                    
          authority to promulgate program regulations.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 31: Amends AS 14.43.415(c)                                                                                         
          Permits  the commission  to  set  grant terms  and                                                                    
          conditions.  Directs the  commission to  establish                                                                    
          annual  grant  maximums  relative to  a  student's                                                                    
          enrollment status.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 32: Amends AS 14.43.420(a)                                                                                         
               Revises upwards the annual grant maximum.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 33: Amends AS 14.43.420(c)                                                                                         
               Revises upwards the aggregate grant amount a                                                                     
               person may receive to conform to Section 35.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 34: Amends by adding a new section (d) to AS                                                                       
     14.43.420                                                                                                                  
          Enables the  commission to designate  grant awards                                                                    
          as  state match  in  the event  federal funds  for                                                                    
          education  grants are  available and  require such                                                                    
          match.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 35: Amends by repealing and reenacting AS                                                                          
     14.43.620(a)                                                                                                               
          Clarifies  that   the  revolving  loan   fund  for                                                                    
          Teacher  Education Loans  is  administered by  the                                                                    
          commission.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section 36: Amends by adding a new section to AS                                                                           
     14.43.620                                                                                                                  
          Conforms to Section 35-loans  to new borrowers may                                                                    
          only be made if sufficient funds are available.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 37: Amends AS 14.43.640                                                                                            
          Clarifies  that the  commission  sets the  Teacher                                                                    
          Education  Loan interest  rate  on loans  financed                                                                    
         from the fund established in Section 35.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 38: Amends AS 14.43.740(a)                                                                                         
          Increases  upwards the  annual and  aggregate loan                                                                    
          amounts available  to a borrower under  the Family                                                                    
          Education Loan.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 39: Amends AS 14.43.750(a)                                                                                         
          Clarifies  that  to  be eligible  for  the  Family                                                                    
          Education  Loan,  both  the borrower  and  student                                                                    
          must be Alaska residents.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 40: Amends AS 14.43.915(a)                                                                                         
          Conforms  to   Section  30-program   name  change;                                                                    
          permits  the  administrative  costs of  the  state                                                                    
          grant program to be paid  from the education grant                                                                    
          account.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 41: Amends AS 14.43.990                                                                                            
          Amends  general  definitions to  incorporate  "on-                                                                    
          time" enrollment status.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 42: Amends AS 14.48.030(b)                                                                                         
          Modifies    the     institutional    authorization                                                                    
          exemption of  short education or  training courses                                                                    
          by increasing the maximum number  of days or total                                                                    
          hours of a course.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 43: Amends AS 14.48.050                                                                                            
          Clarifies  that  the  commission  may  enter  into                                                                    
          multi-state   reciprocity   agreements   for   the                                                                    
          purposes of  regulating the delivery  of education                                                                    
          and training programs in Alaska.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 44: Amends AS 14.48.165(b)                                                                                         
          Limits  the  mandatory meningococcal  immunization                                                                    
          notice requirement to  students who are physically                                                                    
          present on an institution's campus.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section  45:  Repeals  AS  14.43.120(f),  14.43.120(v),                                                                    
     14.43.174,  14.43.410, 14.43.415(b),  14.43.620(b), and                                                                    
     14.43.740(g)                                                                                                               
     Repeals AS 14.43.120(f) and  (v) and 14.43.174 relating                                                                    
     to setting  of loan  interest rates which  are governed                                                                    
     by AS 14.42.200(9);                                                                                                        
     repeals AS  14.43.410 to  remove reference  to defunded                                                                    
     federal grant  program; repeals AS  14.43.415(b), grant                                                                    
     prioritization for  certain programs of  study; repeals                                                                    
     AS 14.43.620(b), eliminating the use of corporation                                                                        
     funds for Teacher Education Loans; and,                                                                                    
     repeals AS  14.43.740(g), by  which the  commission was                                                                    
     authorized  to  set  Family Education  Loan  limits  in                                                                    
     regulation-those limits  will now  be aligned  with the                                                                    
     general  state education  loan limits  (as per  Section                                                                    
     41, AS 14.43.740(a)).                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 46: Transition Section                                                                                             
          Commission to set Teacher Education Loan interest                                                                     
          rate upon enactment. Corporation to set interest                                                                      
          rates before enactment of this bill.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 47: Revisor's Instructions                                                                                         
          Grant administrators retain existing regulations                                                                      
          until new act is implemented.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section 48: Effective Date                                                                                                 
          The provisions in this bill are effective                                                                             
          immediately.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:36:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer wondered  if  Ms. Barrans  was  en route  to                                                                    
Juneau.  Ms. Pratt  replied  that she  was  currently on  an                                                                    
airplane headed to Juneau.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  asked if Ms.  Barrans would be  available to                                                                    
address the  committee the following day.  Ms. Pratt replied                                                                    
in the affirmative.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  noticed that the  definition of  a full-time                                                                    
student  had changed.  Vice-Chair Fairclough  responded that                                                                    
the  commission   recommended  that  those   definitions  be                                                                    
included in the bill.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Pratt explained  that  "on time"  was  15 credits,  and                                                                    
"full time" was 12 credits.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  queried the  default  rate  of the  student                                                                    
loans. Ms. Pratt deferred to  Ms. Barrans, but stated that a                                                                    
previous meeting had  outlined the default as  between 5 and                                                                    
8 percent. She stated that  the rate had recently decreased,                                                                    
after an increase in 2008.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer wondered if the procedure for determining                                                                        
the grant and loan amounts was made through working with                                                                        
Ms. Barrans. Ms. Pratt indicated in the affirmative.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  explained  that she  felt  that  the                                                                    
current fiscal note was higher  than necessary. She remarked                                                                    
that  she  was hoping  that  DEED  would release  a  smaller                                                                    
fiscal note, and hoped to have that by the following day.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 195 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                              
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:41:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:41 a.m.                                                                                         

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